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cuebreeze
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Observations of long term traits from people with THICK hair

Hey everyone. This isnt the most scientific thread but its for anyone who knows someone very close with REALLY THICK hair. (not just your normal non-mpb, but you all know the type of hair im talking about).

Personally i started thinning out at 17 (now 23) and my best mate since 15 is one of those guys with a really thick head of hair and the super low hairline.

My friend has been diagnosed with chronic fatigue for about 5 years now and has allways fallen asleep within about 10 minutes of lying down where it would take me about 1 to 2 hours. We eat very similar and work the same hours at the same rate etc.

Anyway thats a major difference in our lifestyles for 2 people with completely different hair.

I know some may go on about genetics but id just like to know what others have noticed about people with really thick hair.

Im talking about lifestyle choices that they have done throughout there lifetime. Also im only talking about those people with really REALLY thick hair.

Also my girlfriend has thicker hair than any other girl i know and she falls asleep very quick too.

So what unique traits etc have others noticed....

Last Edited On Jul-22-2009 at 10:39 PM.

7/22/2009 10:38 PM

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Interesting... I also don't get to sleep easily myself. Wonder if sleep plays any role.

7/22/2009 10:40 PM

cuebreeze
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My theory behind sleep has to do with the whole scalp skin/mucles etc. Even tho i do get a decent sleep i notice it takes alot through out the day for my eyes to open right up.

If you raise your eyebrows you will notice you get your whole scalp moving. Now picture if something was restricting that over a life time.

7/22/2009 10:48 PM

billythekid
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what about amount of hours slept? my older brother sleeps 8-10 hours every night and has a perfect head of hair.

7/23/2009 8:51 AM

OMGmyhair
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I also have a trouble-some time getting to sleep, but I doubt this has to do with anything.

7/23/2009 2:47 PM

Rye
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Your observations could very well have some science behind them. I myself have been looking for similarities between people with/without hair...a couple observations i have had are similar to yours --- i have noticed the whole sleep thing as well --- related to that is relaxation --- i have found that men/women with thinning hair are more tense, and anxious and have a tendency for sleep issues as well as complaints from the shoulders or neck muscles (not everyone of course but a majority from my research)...that could very well be hormonal or something like that on some sort of level we haven't been able to measure...but i think that is a very valid observation!

7/23/2009 9:09 PM

CanadianBacon
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I have horrible sleep, hairloss started at same time.

7/24/2009 1:18 AM

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I am definitely more tense and anxious than some -- My body has a hard time physically relaxing. I also have chronic neck strain issues, though that has only been an issue the last several years. Apparently the muscles in the back of my neck are rock hard knots according to the physical therapist

I actually gave up on physical therapy because it only worked for me during the time I actually did the exercises.

7/24/2009 1:30 AM

iwantlaserhair
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havent you ever seen bald hippies? they seem relaxed to me!

7/24/2009 5:34 AM

Mexco
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I have also problems, i sleep less than 5 hours every day.

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7/24/2009 7:22 AM

brh1219
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It is very easy for me to fall asleep and i am a hard sleeper..i doubt it has anything to do with it. A high percentage of people have a hard time sleeping in general. I however noticed my hairloss grew more intense after the first time someone had mentioned it to me which made me ocd about my hair and i began to stress about it. I think stress is the factor and its causing the sleeping problems.

7/24/2009 5:10 PM

cuebreeze
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One more thing that i found out when discussing with my friend... When he sleeps and just in general, he breathe's with his mouth and nose. Personally ive allwyas breathe'd only thru my mouth and i notice when i breathe thru both i get a calming feeling in my head. (almost make me feel blank in the mind) and i think thats his key to sleeping so easy. The problem is i have always just breathed thru my nose so i can do it for 10mins than it becomes awkward.

Does anyone with hairloss breath with both?

7/25/2009 12:21 AM

Zixcreator
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It's interesting that you brought this subject up. I just read a growing treatment for asthma is to train people to breathe more through their nose....not their mouth.

But a good nights sleep is all I think really matters for your hair....and even getting a good night sleep would only end up being a weak positive for helping the condition in my humble opinion.

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7/29/2009 3:55 PM

N0rwegianKid
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RegrowthWebmaster said: " I also have chronic neck strain issues, though that has only been an issue the last several years. Apparently the muscles in the back of my neck are rock hard.. "

Do you have agressive vertex thinning aswell? As I have lately become really fascinated by this whole deal that Cue and Lamarr has set off, I am thinking that there might be a positive correlation between posture, meaning ventral or dorsal muscle tension in the neck area influencing scalp tension in the frontal area or vertex and are resulting in hairloss thereafter.. I have only vertex thinning(yet), with tight and short neck muscles. A typical flexed posture. Join in people !

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7/29/2009 6:42 PM

hatchet
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Interesting on the neck thing. I can sleep all day if I let myself, but I do have these knots on the back of my neck. Not directly under the skin, but deeper. They are not visible but can only be felt. A doc long ago called them harmless fatty cysts, but I think they contribute to headaches and neck pain now and then. Where I should have that normal depression in the middle of the back of my neck, I have several lumps/knots. Not sure about the connection to hairloss, but I believe they do cause tension.

7/30/2009 12:26 PM

Rye
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Neck pressure in general is very interesting because if you think about it...a tense muscle is like a balled up fist that constricts bloodflow...so potentially it could cause the blood supply to be restricted causing low oxygen and nutrient supply to the follicles and that is why some people have good results from needling and others don't...maybe topical muscle relaxers applied to the neck/shoulder region would be more beneficial than on the scalp?...maybe we are thinking of this problem in the wrong way???...thoughts?

11/2/2009 8:34 PM

jaydee
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Yeah, that's right, the 99% of orientals, africans, aboriginals, eskimos, south americans, american indians, etc, don't get stressed, sleep like logs etc, etc...that's why the have thick hair and rarely bald...and oh by the way minox and fin and all those work on some people real well 'cause they relax the muscles...c'mon guys, let's get a grip, will ya. Keep your eyes on the ball.

11/2/2009 9:42 PM

neutron
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I find myself to be a very stressed person. All my life even from childhood i had a bad response to stress and always overed stressed things. Now into adult life im finding the same thing. I usually dont sleep very well during the week. On the weekends i sleep slightly more but not enough to make up for any lack of sleep. Ive gone through periods of sleeping more but have never been able to sleep well for alot of consistency. Ive wondered at times if tension was the true cause of alot of my hairloss. I have diffuse thinning throughout my entire scalp. Over the passed year ive been more stressed than ever and experienced a more rapid progression of hairloss. the problem is that changing your lifestyle is diffcult. Your tendencies were learned long ago and have had years to stick. A healthy lifestyle means more than just hair though. I believe the overall aging process can be linked to lifestyle. If your eating, sleeping and relaxing in a good balance you tend to age better.

11/3/2009 9:33 PM

Hair Maestro
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I'm not sure that you are going to get a very balanced opinion on this on here because not many people with thick hair and no MPB will be using this forum.

FWIW, I know people with thick and thin. balding and not balding who either fall asleep fast or have trouble sleeping. I don't see any pattern personally. Also, I don't think that falling asleep very fast is a sign of CFS, I thought it was the opposite in that most people with CFS are constantly tired but also don't sleep properly or quickly.

11/4/2009 11:46 AM

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this is not a trait but a feature. they dont have greasy or shining forehead and scalp

11/5/2009 12:39 PM

Dobika
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I read a book about this subject years ago where a guy observed traits, diet and habits of people with good hair. He even observed that people with good hair chewed their food more prior to swallowing. This observation made me laugh at the time but if you think about it, it may make sense because there is more absorption of the nutrients and also more exercise for the scalp muscles and perhaps increased blood flow to the scalp.

I have always fallen asleep within seconds of going to bed and slept for around 8 hours but I have always been a very fast eater.

11/7/2009 7:46 AM

crzyakta
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"people with good hair chewed their food more prior to swallowing"

that is a sign of reduced anxiety..IMO it is directly connected to hairloss for people with stress/anxiety induced loss/thinning

11/7/2009 6:33 PM

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